They “lost” her? Hmm….sounds like history played out a little differently back on the island….
Linktacular!
Back Office
In a Call-Center…no one can hear you scream…
They “lost” her? Hmm….sounds like history played out a little differently back on the island….
Things played out differently on that island? What gave you that impression, maybe that the Greg initiative is not vanquished now? 😀 The question is why, what exactly did Mike change, the repercussions are pretty clear to me!
I think it was Fairy Tail, where one character’s death was replaced by a survivor version of themselves from another reality/timeline.
@O8h7w: You are asking the right questions…but as for the answers? Welllllll….they’ll come….. ;D
@zophah: I really need to sit down and have a proper look at Fairy Tail one of these days (as well as a long list of other Anime on my ‘to-watch’ list).
I’ve seen this particular plot trick a few times over the years. The first one coming to mind right now is an alternate Tasha Yar returning to Star Trek TNG after being dead for years (well…actually it was her identical-ish Romulan daughter….but still…)
Actually it was Star Trek Voyager that took that idea to its full extent in one of its, errr… less memorable episodes. So Harry Kim and whatshername, the kid, are actually from a different Voyager than the rest of the crew. A fact which was never ever mentioned again. Gee, I wonder why? LOL A plot device only to be used for silliness. 😉
My personal theory: Mike went back in time to make a deal with Laura. He’d help her avoid her downfall with knowledge from the future in exchange for err, stuff.
@Kessy: I was thinking of that Voyager example too 🙂 I generally have a very poor opinion of Voyager (very few Irish trekkies will…especially after a *certain* series Voyager holodeck-centric episodes aired….I nearly threw my TV out the window that day), however I found the episode you mentioned to be…well not half bad…..
It was one of the few episodes where Voyager convincingly lost a fight to villian (who we’re not half bad themselves until ruined shortly afterward) and had to essentially pull a Star Trek III to stop them.
However, their handling of “Bonus Harry” was just silly:
Harry: So Captain. I’m from this Voyager….but not really this Voyager? (All my friends are dead?)
Janeway: Don’t think about it Harry. (Or ever mention it again for the next 5 years)
Harry: But Captain!
Janeway: That’s it! You’re demoted to an Ensign!
Harry: But I’m already a….
Janeway: Do you want to be demoted to a Neelix?
Harry: Shutting up Captain…
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, right, those episodes. It hadn’t even occurred to me until now how those would have gone over in Ireland. Real lead balloon, huh?
It’s funny, when Voyager first aired I gave up watching it after a couple of seasons because I thought it was just that bad. That was probably because at the time I was still spoiled by Babylon 5. A few years ago BBC America started rerunning it and I found that it wasn’t actually as bad as I remembered it. But some of its bad episodes were really bad.
I’m not real fond of that particular episode – I’m not really a fan of any of the times the crew found a big red techno-babbled reset button at the end of the episode. Which Voyager did seem to do a lot, even for Star Trek.
@Kessy: Oh yes. The Magic Reset Button that was apparently fitted with every Intrepid Class ship. This issue (and their wholesale neutering of The Borg) really put me off the show. I can buy the Enterprise getting fixed up off-screen every other week, but Voyager was all alone. It should have gotten more and more broken over time….I’ll stop there because I can (and have) ranted about Voyager for ages.
As for “Fair Haven”…yes, fell like a lead ballon….or even Lead Hindenburg! (Oh the feck-wit-ery!)
Clearly whoever wrote it had never been to Ireland, or only to the tourist trap villages in Kerry. What baffels me the most is that Irish actor Colm Meaney (aka Chief O’Brien) was working at DS9 at the time. Could NO-ONE have gone over and asked him for tips?!
Like the show itself I could rant for ages about “Fair Haven”….or should I say: “Fair Un-haven!”
;D
Well, my issue is really with the more literally reset button episodes, particularly some of the time travel eps where the climax of the episode was a hand wave and, “Whoops! It never happened.” That’s just bad writing IMHO.
The more general issue of voyager getting more broken down with time is really about the fact that Trek in general never really defined the limits of Federation tech. If you think about it, replicators could potentially make any starship – even a small one – essentially a mobile industrial facility. If replicators can really make anything, the crew could have made themselves a whole new starship if they really wanted to.
I’m not going to defend Fair Haven. I always thought the idea of turn of the 20th century Irish villagers deciding the crew were fairies and breaking out the pitchforks and burning stake was dumb, and now that I think about it, pretty offensive. But to be fair I thought it was pretty clearly never meant to be an accurate representation of Ireland. I thought it was meant in universe as a sort of story book Disneyfied version of Ireland. Think about the other holodeck eps: Captain Proton and those children’s book characters. I don’t think Fair Haven was meant to be taken any more seriously than those.
Actually, getting circuitously back on topic, I’ve probably been more exposed to classic Flash Gordon through Captain Proton than any other way. I seem to have been born at just the right time to miss any popular versions of Flash as a kid. I got Buck Rogers instead. I did see the Syfy TV version from the naughts. I actually quite liked it, although it quite clearly completely rewrote the existing canon.